You: The "mathematical perfection" of natural laws is completely due to human intervention. Even a complicated system could be expressed in relatively simple terms unless it is completely random. All that is needed is time for scientists and mathematicians to study the system and develop working models.

A good example of this would be weather. Weather can be analyzed in a statistical way and yield reasonably good results; this is precisely what weather forecasters do every night on the local news. As time went on, even better mathematical models were developed. Most recently, chaos theory describes weather as a disorganized system that can never be completely predictable, but sets very definite limits on its unpredictability and describes many such systems in a useful way. I would not say that this is because God created weather, but because humanity has had thousands of years to come up with mathematical models that apply to it.

Aaron: That is all very well and good, but in order for there to be laws for humans to quantify, there has to be an orderly universe. You said yourself that science could not quantify a universe where everything happened in a completely random way. Consider also that, because chaos is more likely than order, the odds of us living in a chaotic universe as opposed to an orderly one are incredibly high. If you dropped a handful of sand on the floor and it spelled out your name, you would be shocked. So to should we be shocked that our universe displays order everywhere we look. What are the chances of us living in an orderly universe without divine guidance to make it orderly for us?

How do you respond?

  1. The odds are good. Go
  2. The odds are bad. Go