You: For example, by your own logic the perfect structure would also have to exist. This tells me that ther must somewhere be a perfect building, one that cannot be destroyed.

Aaron: Perhaps there is such a place, in Heaven perhaps. If God himself has a home, it would surely be a perfect structure.

You: Since you admit that your argument can be used for things other than God, let's take it a step further. Somewhere there must be a perfect Earth, populated with people just like us but perfect in every way. There would be no starvation, no war, no sadness, no death. Are you willing to say that such a paradise exists?

Aaron: Well, we cannot prove that such a place does not exist. Who is to say that God, in his infinite wisdom, has not created it? It very well could be that Eden was just such a place.

You: In my opinion, in order for any place to be perfect, I would have to be there. If I am not in paradise then it suffers from not being able to be experienced by the most important person in my thinking, namely me. Since a perfect world would necessarily be one in which I exist, and since I exist in this world, should I conclude that we are living in a perfect world?

Aaron: Not at all. Your argument is flawed in that you being in a place does nothing toward making it a paradise for everyone. Besides, Heaven may be just such a place as you describe.

How do you respond?

  1. It does not have to be a paradise for for everyone. Go
  2. But I cannot experience Heaven. Go