You: But I cannot experience Heaven, so I would not call it perfect.

Aaron: Maybe you cannot experience Heaven now, but after death, if you become a good Christian, you will.

You: Despite the fact that a place that I would only conditionally be allowed to experience would not fit my definition of perfect, your argument is still flawed. I am not in Heaven now, so it is, by my standard, not perfect now and will not be until I am there. In that case, it is possible for something that is not perfect to become perfect over time. Perhaps God does not yet exist but may only potentially exist in the future?

Aaron: That is impossible. If it were not for God, who would have created the universe?

You: We have covered that. Care to try again.

Aaron: Ofcourse.